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		<title>By: Esteban Kolsky</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2010/01/lets-call-a-spade-a-spade-and-social-media-a-band-aid/#comment-960</link>
		<dc:creator>Esteban Kolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melissa,

I hear you, and I know what you are talking about.  The idea that a set of tools is something concrete and that I can show a CD (OK, maybe not anymore -- but at least a screen doing something).  If we can create the right methodologies to sell into the organizations and make them make sense and prove value, that is the next war to fight.  Which is why I am getting tired of fighting definitions...

Thanks for the read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa,</p>
<p>I hear you, and I know what you are talking about.  The idea that a set of tools is something concrete and that I can show a CD (OK, maybe not anymore &#8212; but at least a screen doing something).  If we can create the right methodologies to sell into the organizations and make them make sense and prove value, that is the next war to fight.  Which is why I am getting tired of fighting definitions&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for the read!</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Parham</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2010/01/lets-call-a-spade-a-spade-and-social-media-a-band-aid/#comment-959</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Parham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to hear you talking about creating a market.  A big part of the reason that corporate customers fixate on implementing software tools instead of business strategies is because that is something &quot;concrete&quot; that they can get their heads around.  As we develop these ideas and (sorry) the implementation practices that go with them, it will be much easier to (frankly) sell consulting gigs, and thereby participate in transforming businesses into what they need to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to hear you talking about creating a market.  A big part of the reason that corporate customers fixate on implementing software tools instead of business strategies is because that is something &#8220;concrete&#8221; that they can get their heads around.  As we develop these ideas and (sorry) the implementation practices that go with them, it will be much easier to (frankly) sell consulting gigs, and thereby participate in transforming businesses into what they need to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban Kolsky</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2010/01/lets-call-a-spade-a-spade-and-social-media-a-band-aid/#comment-958</link>
		<dc:creator>Esteban Kolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes!

No one owns social because it is not an initiative or a project, it is a new way of working.  Thus, the whole Social Business is nothing more than the natural evolution of business into this new way of working -- brought on by the societal and generational shift to become more social.

Thanks for saying it so clearly, and helping me understand it better... well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes!</p>
<p>No one owns social because it is not an initiative or a project, it is a new way of working.  Thus, the whole Social Business is nothing more than the natural evolution of business into this new way of working &#8212; brought on by the societal and generational shift to become more social.</p>
<p>Thanks for saying it so clearly, and helping me understand it better&#8230; well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban Kolsky</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2010/01/lets-call-a-spade-a-spade-and-social-media-a-band-aid/#comment-957</link>
		<dc:creator>Esteban Kolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate,

Thanks for this as well.  I think, and I wrote about it before several times, that Feedback Management is the fourth pillar of CRM (in addition to Sales, Service, and Marketing and an essential component of SCRM.  I am in between continuing the term EFM and simply refer to it as Feedback Management only -- but I totally agree with you in concept.

It will be interesting indeed...

Thanks
Esteban</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate,</p>
<p>Thanks for this as well.  I think, and I wrote about it before several times, that Feedback Management is the fourth pillar of CRM (in addition to Sales, Service, and Marketing and an essential component of SCRM.  I am in between continuing the term EFM and simply refer to it as Feedback Management only &#8212; but I totally agree with you in concept.</p>
<p>It will be interesting indeed&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Esteban</p>
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		<title>By: Mindshare</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2010/01/lets-call-a-spade-a-spade-and-social-media-a-band-aid/#comment-956</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindshare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said,

It will be interesting to see how the industry adapts as new channels are created in the future as well. As Social Media grows up, I think the value we can gain from it will also increase... especially if combined with great EFM tools.

And, you&#039;re welcome for the visit and the read... I&#039;ll be back. ;)

-Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said,</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see how the industry adapts as new channels are created in the future as well. As Social Media grows up, I think the value we can gain from it will also increase&#8230; especially if combined with great EFM tools.</p>
<p>And, you&#8217;re welcome for the visit and the read&#8230; I&#8217;ll be back. <img src='http://estebankolsky.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-Nate</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hershberger</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2010/01/lets-call-a-spade-a-spade-and-social-media-a-band-aid/#comment-955</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Hershberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo.  Here&#039;s the thing (from my point of view anyway).  Let&#039;s take this out of the marketing sphere and think about social from a business standpoint.  What do social initiatives impact?  Well, pretty much every standard business unit from R&amp;D to Logistics.  I did a post on this about a year ago here:

http://comblu.com/blogs/lumenatti/archive/2009/05/13/community-by-the-numbers-part-one.aspx

Here is my point.  No one department owns social.  It is a collective resource and provides collective insight across the entire business enterprise.  Different people have different interests, so we should be opening up sCRM, creating feeds for a social operational structure...sure, this is harder to do than to propose.  So, for marketers to be successful, they should begin with structuring a cross-functional team that shares everything.  Start small and simple and grow from there.  Social is a thread that should run through the entire enterprise rather than be a tool or a silo.  Until this concept takes hold, social will remain with media and continue to be the shiny penny of choice...until the next one comes along to eclipse it.  If this happens, we as business professionals will have squandered one of the greatest efficiency opportunities since Demming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo.  Here&#8217;s the thing (from my point of view anyway).  Let&#8217;s take this out of the marketing sphere and think about social from a business standpoint.  What do social initiatives impact?  Well, pretty much every standard business unit from R&amp;D to Logistics.  I did a post on this about a year ago here:</p>
<p><a href="http://comblu.com/blogs/lumenatti/archive/2009/05/13/community-by-the-numbers-part-one.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://comblu.com/blogs/lumenatti/archive/2009/05/13/community-by-the-numbers-part-one.aspx</a></p>
<p>Here is my point.  No one department owns social.  It is a collective resource and provides collective insight across the entire business enterprise.  Different people have different interests, so we should be opening up sCRM, creating feeds for a social operational structure&#8230;sure, this is harder to do than to propose.  So, for marketers to be successful, they should begin with structuring a cross-functional team that shares everything.  Start small and simple and grow from there.  Social is a thread that should run through the entire enterprise rather than be a tool or a silo.  Until this concept takes hold, social will remain with media and continue to be the shiny penny of choice&#8230;until the next one comes along to eclipse it.  If this happens, we as business professionals will have squandered one of the greatest efficiency opportunities since Demming.</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban Kolsky</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2010/01/lets-call-a-spade-a-spade-and-social-media-a-band-aid/#comment-954</link>
		<dc:creator>Esteban Kolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MariAn,

Thanks for the kudos.  I did not take the bloody part as an insult - no worries :)

The toolbar is from Wibiya (http://www.wibiya.com) and it is a free, very cool tool... not sure if they are open to the public, I got it when it was in Beta.

I agree with you that SM is not the end state, just a way to get there.  That is what I am working towards changing in the minds of people this year.

Thanks for the read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MariAn,</p>
<p>Thanks for the kudos.  I did not take the bloody part as an insult &#8211; no worries <img src='http://estebankolsky.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The toolbar is from Wibiya (<a href="http://www.wibiya.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wibiya.com</a>) and it is a free, very cool tool&#8230; not sure if they are open to the public, I got it when it was in Beta.</p>
<p>I agree with you that SM is not the end state, just a way to get there.  That is what I am working towards changing in the minds of people this year.</p>
<p>Thanks for the read!</p>
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		<title>By: MariAn Klein</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2010/01/lets-call-a-spade-a-spade-and-social-media-a-band-aid/#comment-953</link>
		<dc:creator>MariAn Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post. You&#039;re absolutely right. Social media is the means to the desired end state.... not the end state in itself. Understanding the impacts and real value of implementing social media is clearly important for lean business operations. Think your &quot;bloody&quot; metaphor is apropos (no I&#039;m not British--not swearing at you.)

Another note...LOVE the handy lower tool bar. Where/how did you get it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. You&#8217;re absolutely right. Social media is the means to the desired end state&#8230;. not the end state in itself. Understanding the impacts and real value of implementing social media is clearly important for lean business operations. Think your &#8220;bloody&#8221; metaphor is apropos (no I&#8217;m not British&#8211;not swearing at you.)</p>
<p>Another note&#8230;LOVE the handy lower tool bar. Where/how did you get it?</p>
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		<title>By: CRM Watchlist 2010 &#8211; Part IIIA</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2010/01/lets-call-a-spade-a-spade-and-social-media-a-band-aid/#comment-952</link>
		<dc:creator>CRM Watchlist 2010 &#8211; Part IIIA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and let me talk (This watchlist thing is clearly breaking me)  While I view the difference between social business and Social CRM the way that Esteban Kolsky does, I’d say that Jive’s view of the difference is more technobusiness focused. They see Social [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and let me talk (This watchlist thing is clearly breaking me)  While I view the difference between social business and Social CRM the way that Esteban Kolsky does, I’d say that Jive’s view of the difference is more technobusiness focused. They see Social [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban Kolsky</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2010/01/lets-call-a-spade-a-spade-and-social-media-a-band-aid/#comment-951</link>
		<dc:creator>Esteban Kolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al,

Agree 100%, especially when you say that you have to figure out what to do when you get the connection / relationship.  That is the key here... not establishing the connection via social channels, but what to do with it.  What information to collect, how to use it, and what to do with the new information.

The business ability to do that, or not, is what is going to define their ultimate success at becoming social.

Thanks for the read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al,</p>
<p>Agree 100%, especially when you say that you have to figure out what to do when you get the connection / relationship.  That is the key here&#8230; not establishing the connection via social channels, but what to do with it.  What information to collect, how to use it, and what to do with the new information.</p>
<p>The business ability to do that, or not, is what is going to define their ultimate success at becoming social.</p>
<p>Thanks for the read!</p>
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