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		<title>By: Esteban Kolsky</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2009/10/psst-wanna-buy-some-social-sales-for-that-scrm-implementation/#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>Esteban Kolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

Thanks for the read and the comment.  I think that you got some nice ideas and make some interesting statements - but ultimately the entire sales model needs to change for it to become social.  The entire dependence on the 1:1 relationship between the sales person and the customer must go.  Yes, even in a B2B situation.  This is where I strongly disagree with Joe and mostly everyone in the current sales process.  Do I think it is going to be a short process? no, it will probably take a long time.

Alas, until we see an end to the sales-owns-the-customer-and-the-relationship attitude we will not see sales become social.

Thanks
Esteban</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>Thanks for the read and the comment.  I think that you got some nice ideas and make some interesting statements &#8211; but ultimately the entire sales model needs to change for it to become social.  The entire dependence on the 1:1 relationship between the sales person and the customer must go.  Yes, even in a B2B situation.  This is where I strongly disagree with Joe and mostly everyone in the current sales process.  Do I think it is going to be a short process? no, it will probably take a long time.</p>
<p>Alas, until we see an end to the sales-owns-the-customer-and-the-relationship attitude we will not see sales become social.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Esteban</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Greenan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Greenan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anneke&#039;s commentary is by far the bravest and most forward looking here  - and I&#039;d bet more in tune with what&#039;s actually going to emerge for Sales in the context of SCRM as we get into 2010 and beyond.

I read most of Joe Galvin&#039;s responses above with a hint of disbelief - reminded me of when someone said back in the 80&#039;s that &#039;640K ought to be enough for anybody&#039;.

To pick up on just one of Joe&#039;s insights - &#039;First is digging out from the Great Recession&#039; - what he misses is that SCRM can be used as a relatively low cost approach to recovery by a business if applied intelligently and staged according to a well planned strategy. The real cost savings being achieved by real businesses for customer support &amp; product improvement via community feedback are well documented - the direct sales impact via social channels is certainly a reality (as Dell via Twitter) and will continue to do be as companies realise that (at least in B2C) a loyal community brings the hallowed &#039;customer for life&#039; who buys more and responds to offers and campaigns fed through the community - can this &#039;loyal community selling&#039; happen in B2B? - why not?

Three things are converging here:

1. Global Recession
2. Emergence and mainstream acceptance of &#039;cloud&#039;, &#039;saas&#039; platforms
3. Explosion of social/community networks - 96% of Generation Y are members of at least 1 network, most are members of 2

When this type of significant convergence happens - at anytime in history - it usually brings huge change and opportunity.

None of this means that 1-1 relationships, a firm handshake and a steady look in the eye don&#039;t matter anymore - what it does mean though is that new ways of doing business, &#039;selling&#039;, whatever you want to call it, &#039;change&#039; is with us now -  today.
.-= Sean Greenan´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://getsome.posterous.com/beaterator-rocks-psp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beaterator Rocks the Playstation Portable !!!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anneke&#8217;s commentary is by far the bravest and most forward looking here  &#8211; and I&#8217;d bet more in tune with what&#8217;s actually going to emerge for Sales in the context of SCRM as we get into 2010 and beyond.</p>
<p>I read most of Joe Galvin&#8217;s responses above with a hint of disbelief &#8211; reminded me of when someone said back in the 80&#8242;s that &#8217;640K ought to be enough for anybody&#8217;.</p>
<p>To pick up on just one of Joe&#8217;s insights &#8211; &#8216;First is digging out from the Great Recession&#8217; &#8211; what he misses is that SCRM can be used as a relatively low cost approach to recovery by a business if applied intelligently and staged according to a well planned strategy. The real cost savings being achieved by real businesses for customer support &amp; product improvement via community feedback are well documented &#8211; the direct sales impact via social channels is certainly a reality (as Dell via Twitter) and will continue to do be as companies realise that (at least in B2C) a loyal community brings the hallowed &#8216;customer for life&#8217; who buys more and responds to offers and campaigns fed through the community &#8211; can this &#8216;loyal community selling&#8217; happen in B2B? &#8211; why not?</p>
<p>Three things are converging here:</p>
<p>1. Global Recession<br />
2. Emergence and mainstream acceptance of &#8216;cloud&#8217;, &#8216;saas&#8217; platforms<br />
3. Explosion of social/community networks &#8211; 96% of Generation Y are members of at least 1 network, most are members of 2</p>
<p>When this type of significant convergence happens &#8211; at anytime in history &#8211; it usually brings huge change and opportunity.</p>
<p>None of this means that 1-1 relationships, a firm handshake and a steady look in the eye don&#8217;t matter anymore &#8211; what it does mean though is that new ways of doing business, &#8216;selling&#8217;, whatever you want to call it, &#8216;change&#8217; is with us now &#8211;  today.<br />
.-= Sean Greenan´s last blog ..<a href="http://getsome.posterous.com/beaterator-rocks-psp" rel="nofollow">Beaterator Rocks the Playstation Portable !!!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Anneke Seley</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2009/10/psst-wanna-buy-some-social-sales-for-that-scrm-implementation/#comment-607</link>
		<dc:creator>Anneke Seley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great insights here, both in the post and the follow-on conversation. I like this community! I&#039;d like to provide a sales manager&#039;s (now consultant&#039;s)perspective. When we see measurable results - in our world this means a repeating stream of qualified opportunities and closed revenue - coming from social channels, we will find a way to incorporate their usage in our sales process. As mentioned by Joe, there are not many examples to point to yet (beyond DellOutlet&#039;s use of Twitter), but they are emerging.  For example, I&#039;m following one innovative sales rep&#039;s use of LinkedIn to leverage referral selling and shorten his sales cycle. He closed 50% of his monthly quota last month using &quot;social selling&quot;. There are good results coming from the early part of the sales cycle, too. A marketing professional used blogs, Twitter, and LinkedIn in addition to traditional channels to generate leads for a new product launch and generated 2/3 of his $3M pipeline from the social media, 90% of which were qualified (compared to 50% from traditional channels including PR and email). For more detail, go to http://bit.ly/zEQQo. My own biggest client (a large company going through a massive sales transformation and building a new, centralized phone/Web sales organization to serve their lowest annual volume customers) was initially introduced to me via a Facebook connection: evidence that customers and prospects are using social networking to communicate with us.
Now we just have to figure out how best to capture and share successful practices like these across sales organizations and scale them. Any thoughts or experiences on that?
.-= Anneke Seley´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Sales20/~3/Ntd1qbuSegg/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oracle OpenWorld: A Sales 2.0 Perspective&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great insights here, both in the post and the follow-on conversation. I like this community! I&#8217;d like to provide a sales manager&#8217;s (now consultant&#8217;s)perspective. When we see measurable results &#8211; in our world this means a repeating stream of qualified opportunities and closed revenue &#8211; coming from social channels, we will find a way to incorporate their usage in our sales process. As mentioned by Joe, there are not many examples to point to yet (beyond DellOutlet&#8217;s use of Twitter), but they are emerging.  For example, I&#8217;m following one innovative sales rep&#8217;s use of LinkedIn to leverage referral selling and shorten his sales cycle. He closed 50% of his monthly quota last month using &#8220;social selling&#8221;. There are good results coming from the early part of the sales cycle, too. A marketing professional used blogs, Twitter, and LinkedIn in addition to traditional channels to generate leads for a new product launch and generated 2/3 of his $3M pipeline from the social media, 90% of which were qualified (compared to 50% from traditional channels including PR and email). For more detail, go to <a href="http://bit.ly/zEQQo" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/zEQQo</a>. My own biggest client (a large company going through a massive sales transformation and building a new, centralized phone/Web sales organization to serve their lowest annual volume customers) was initially introduced to me via a Facebook connection: evidence that customers and prospects are using social networking to communicate with us.<br />
Now we just have to figure out how best to capture and share successful practices like these across sales organizations and scale them. Any thoughts or experiences on that?<br />
.-= Anneke Seley´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Sales20/~3/Ntd1qbuSegg/" rel="nofollow">Oracle OpenWorld: A Sales 2.0 Perspective</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Parker Trewin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parker Trewin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would echo Bob&#039;s comments about the ability for SCRM or Social Marketing to facilitate an introduction to Sales.  Yet, with the buyer now asserting more control it is increasingly up to Marketing to ensure that these prospects are handed off to Sales when ready to engage.  Social Media affords another channel for marketing to invite and engage with these potential customers. (Genius.com CEO David Thomspon wrote about the importance of listening to these channels in a recent ZDNet post http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-346981.html.)

Much like eHarmony and how they do all the leg work in selecting the perfect online match, and hopefully long-lasting relationship bliss, there are solutions emerging to help marketers automate this in the B2B world.  Yet like in most relationships, timing is everything and no amount of automation can replace the 1-1 chemistry that happens when the salesperson makes that all important connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would echo Bob&#8217;s comments about the ability for SCRM or Social Marketing to facilitate an introduction to Sales.  Yet, with the buyer now asserting more control it is increasingly up to Marketing to ensure that these prospects are handed off to Sales when ready to engage.  Social Media affords another channel for marketing to invite and engage with these potential customers. (Genius.com CEO David Thomspon wrote about the importance of listening to these channels in a recent ZDNet post <a href="http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-346981.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-346981.html</a>.)</p>
<p>Much like eHarmony and how they do all the leg work in selecting the perfect online match, and hopefully long-lasting relationship bliss, there are solutions emerging to help marketers automate this in the B2B world.  Yet like in most relationships, timing is everything and no amount of automation can replace the 1-1 chemistry that happens when the salesperson makes that all important connection.</p>
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		<title>By: OgilvyOne on Social CRM (sCRM) - Social Commerce Today</title>
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		<dc:creator>OgilvyOne on Social CRM (sCRM) - Social Commerce Today</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Esteban Kolsky</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2009/10/psst-wanna-buy-some-social-sales-for-that-scrm-implementation/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>Esteban Kolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

Thanks for a great comment!  I am beginning to change my approach to the numerality of the relationships slightly.  I don&#039;t think we are going from 1:1 to 1:M or M:M - that is not a good thing to have for business if you think about it.  There is no way you can personalize a 1:M and nothing you can for a M:M other than provide a platform and pray.  I think the new relationships are actually 1:1:M where the users are members of communities (the M) and the business has to worry about two things (like we did in the old B2B2C model): the customers and a personalized experience and the community that the customer is a member of and their needs.  Think about it, it becomes an issue of addressing the needs of the community and the customer separately - which is a lot easier than trying to personalize a 1:M or M:M experience.

Going back to the theme of this post (sorry), I agree that the community-based content like Helpstream and Fuze provide among others is a great way to create and improve content for use by communities (the many) and by organizations (to serve the one).

Looking forward to your blog, I think that the cross-channel and channel-hopping experience is prime for a better solution.

Thanks
Esteban</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Thanks for a great comment!  I am beginning to change my approach to the numerality of the relationships slightly.  I don&#8217;t think we are going from 1:1 to 1:M or M:M &#8211; that is not a good thing to have for business if you think about it.  There is no way you can personalize a 1:M and nothing you can for a M:M other than provide a platform and pray.  I think the new relationships are actually 1:1:M where the users are members of communities (the M) and the business has to worry about two things (like we did in the old B2B2C model): the customers and a personalized experience and the community that the customer is a member of and their needs.  Think about it, it becomes an issue of addressing the needs of the community and the customer separately &#8211; which is a lot easier than trying to personalize a 1:M or M:M experience.</p>
<p>Going back to the theme of this post (sorry), I agree that the community-based content like Helpstream and Fuze provide among others is a great way to create and improve content for use by communities (the many) and by organizations (to serve the one).</p>
<p>Looking forward to your blog, I think that the cross-channel and channel-hopping experience is prime for a better solution.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Esteban</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Warfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Warfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esteban, fantastic post.  One of my favorites.  There are so many wonderful &quot;money quotes&quot; such as:

&quot;BtoB clients want sales people to work with them directly one-on-one, not via novelty channels.&quot;

I think the 1:1 observation is key.  What Social CRM really does well is 1:Many and Many:Many.  Sales is more of a 1:1 game in its later stages, but not in the earlier stages.

The interesting social interface for sales is in the introduction and the personalization of content (as Joe mentions).  For most organizations, it&#039;s up to sales to personalize content for a particular customer.  It doesn&#039;t have to be up to sales, but typically marketing has neither the resources nor the focus to take that on.

Personalized content does not have to mean it has no value for others or that it isn&#039;t social.  On the contrary, many times I&#039;ve seen personalized content turn out to be extremely valuable to a broader audience, often making its way back into the broader marketing collateral line up.

I would therefore look to have whomever is responsible for personalized content leveraging Social CRM.  It will turn out to have value beyond the immediate prospect the content is prepared for.  A corporate community such as what Helpstream and others offer is an ideal medium to disseminate such content.  If nothing else, the Social Media make it easier for the customer to request the desired content.

The second area I touched on is in the introduction.  Here again, seamlessly meshing sales into the social until the introduction is made, and then moving that discussion to email or telephone are excellent tactics to pursue.

This is an area I&#039;ll blog about more this week on the Helpstream blog.

Cheers,

BW
.-= Bob Warfield´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://smoothspan.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/the-experience-portfolio-thinking-about-customer-experience-strategy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Experience Portfolio:  Thinking about Customer Experience Strategy&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esteban, fantastic post.  One of my favorites.  There are so many wonderful &#8220;money quotes&#8221; such as:</p>
<p>&#8220;BtoB clients want sales people to work with them directly one-on-one, not via novelty channels.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the 1:1 observation is key.  What Social CRM really does well is 1:Many and Many:Many.  Sales is more of a 1:1 game in its later stages, but not in the earlier stages.</p>
<p>The interesting social interface for sales is in the introduction and the personalization of content (as Joe mentions).  For most organizations, it&#8217;s up to sales to personalize content for a particular customer.  It doesn&#8217;t have to be up to sales, but typically marketing has neither the resources nor the focus to take that on.</p>
<p>Personalized content does not have to mean it has no value for others or that it isn&#8217;t social.  On the contrary, many times I&#8217;ve seen personalized content turn out to be extremely valuable to a broader audience, often making its way back into the broader marketing collateral line up.</p>
<p>I would therefore look to have whomever is responsible for personalized content leveraging Social CRM.  It will turn out to have value beyond the immediate prospect the content is prepared for.  A corporate community such as what Helpstream and others offer is an ideal medium to disseminate such content.  If nothing else, the Social Media make it easier for the customer to request the desired content.</p>
<p>The second area I touched on is in the introduction.  Here again, seamlessly meshing sales into the social until the introduction is made, and then moving that discussion to email or telephone are excellent tactics to pursue.</p>
<p>This is an area I&#8217;ll blog about more this week on the Helpstream blog.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>BW<br />
.-= Bob Warfield´s last blog ..<a href="http://smoothspan.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/the-experience-portfolio-thinking-about-customer-experience-strategy/" rel="nofollow">The Experience Portfolio:  Thinking about Customer Experience Strategy</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: yadu tekale</title>
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		<dc:creator>yadu tekale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robbert,

i sing in the same choir as you.
.-= yadu tekale´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://yadut.blogspot.com/2009/09/more-on-crm-v-scrm.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More on CRM v SCRM&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robbert,</p>
<p>i sing in the same choir as you.<br />
.-= yadu tekale´s last blog ..<a href="http://yadut.blogspot.com/2009/09/more-on-crm-v-scrm.html" rel="nofollow">More on CRM v SCRM</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban Kolsky</title>
		<link>http://estebankolsky.com/2009/10/psst-wanna-buy-some-social-sales-for-that-scrm-implementation/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator>Esteban Kolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robbert,

I could not agree with you more.  If you look through my blog you&#039;ll see I never changed my tune - this is an improvement in CRM.  And we need to focus on that.  Create a strategy that manages the &quot;new&quot; things and makes CRM better is what is necessary.  There are going to be changes as a result of the social channels being adopted, but not as dramatic as changing the business function (as Joe describes very well in the interview).

We can argue the long-term relationship later :)

Thanks for the read
Esteban</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robbert,</p>
<p>I could not agree with you more.  If you look through my blog you&#8217;ll see I never changed my tune &#8211; this is an improvement in CRM.  And we need to focus on that.  Create a strategy that manages the &#8220;new&#8221; things and makes CRM better is what is necessary.  There are going to be changes as a result of the social channels being adopted, but not as dramatic as changing the business function (as Joe describes very well in the interview).</p>
<p>We can argue the long-term relationship later <img src='http://estebankolsky.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the read<br />
Esteban</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban Kolsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esteban Kolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Eric!

I agree that the relationship is what matters, the issue is getting used to the new relationships model that went from 1:1 to 1:1:M when you throw in communities (not only forums).  It will be interesting to see how organizations adapt to the new model of relationships and how they use the tools that are being provided (social analytics, communities, feedback) to make the business functions better (and improve the relationships).

Thanks for the read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Eric!</p>
<p>I agree that the relationship is what matters, the issue is getting used to the new relationships model that went from 1:1 to 1:1:M when you throw in communities (not only forums).  It will be interesting to see how organizations adapt to the new model of relationships and how they use the tools that are being provided (social analytics, communities, feedback) to make the business functions better (and improve the relationships).</p>
<p>Thanks for the read!</p>
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